joining me now are the democratic strategist joe trippi and former bush senior advisor karl rove. welcome to you both. >> good to be with you. >> shannon: the process is in motion for the first time in several years. when people vote on these, there are political calculations. we saw that in the senate and the house. >> definitely. one thing that is true we have a process this time. the senate was 50-49. a close vote. look at what the house did with that vote. they voted 261 against it. 35 of them democrats. many are up for re-election in 2014. that was part of calculation. there was 221 je votes and 207 no. but look at what the senate did against that one. not even close. only 4 senators voted for it. 59 voted against it. five were g.o.p. senators. some of the no votes in there. four were senators coming up for re-election in 2014. they are looking for tax increase revenue. house side they want to repeal obamacare. how they bring it together and what is in the two different bills, how they reconcile them, we have a process. that is the good news. the bad news is we are having the